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Full Back Piece Tattoo Concept by BeautifulDragon322 Full Back Piece Tattoo Concept by BeautifulDragon322
This is a concept idea to make my half back piece into a full back piece! This is a picture of the free hand concept ideas that my artist gave me for my tattoo. Basically my artist was thinking of creating a large dragon that would wrap around the mountains on my left shoulder and then through the rest of my back. The head would end on my lower back and work with the curves of my body. The dragon's body would cover up the bottom of the mountains, the koi fish and the dragon on my right shoulder. The dragon's front claws would cover the old gryphon tattoos that I have on my lower back. I do not like them and want to cover them up already so that aspect of it may work out well. The symbol could be worked in also. The large dragon's tail would go down my left arm and over my shoulder. The left shoulder would be drawn together with my left full sleeve with the clouds and sky.

I am not 100 % sure on how I feel about all of it but I am thinking a lot about going this direction with my back piece. My original half back piece is very beautiful and tells a story but is not put together with much planning of making it a full back piece. Also as far as from an artistic point of view my artist told me that it is no very well done and would be very hard to add a large piece under it that worked into a full back piece.

I am not sure about covering up almost all of my upper tattoo and that is my main concern about this idea. Thankfully it would cover up some outlines of gryphons on my back that I don't like at all! I really love the dragon that he has drawn up for me in this picture. It flows very well and looks great on my body.

The upper half back piece tattoo came from is a Japanese story where a Koi fish climbs a mountain and then becomes a dragon and fly away. The kanji means "Journey". This back piece tattoo represents my life journey, overcoming difficult obstacles and eventually becoming a better person or a higher being. In a way it would be fitting to go in that direction as the whole reason behind my upper tattoo is a life journey.

Check out my other tattoo pics: [link]

Tattoo artist: Philip Felix Owner of Red Sky Studio, Tucson, AZ [link]

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Winterstar3000 Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2010
I think this should be tattood in this sketchy style rather than a refined style :) I like it like this
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Banshee-X Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2010  Student Writer
I think you should go for it.
It is very beautiful! :)
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ILoVeLuCia Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2010
OMG this is the most craziest idea for a tattoo!
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SoldierOfFire Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2010
Very complicated yet it evokes sense of fluidity at the same time. Is there a picture of the actual tattoo?
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BeautifulDragon322 Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2010  Student Photographer
I appreciate your feedback. It is a picture...of a printed picture of my back and current tattoos. Then my tattoo artist drew all over it with pencil for the dragon. :)
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picture-in-a-frame Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2010
It's so hard to tell what this would look like.. but it's very very large and obvious, if you know what I mean.
The back tattoo that you already have is, though not very suitable for a full back piece, a lot softer, or more subtle.. (plus, I'm not the biggest fan of dragon tattoos hehe, and i absolutely love the koi fish you have now!)
but I can imagine you would want the gryphons covered, they look very lost :)
hm.. it's hard to say, have you decided yet?

despite all this, I'm pretty sure I would think it awesome if you got it anyway :D

what colors would it be in?
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BeautifulDragon322 Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2010  Student Photographer
Yeah I know the picture of the paper picture with all the drawlings on it can be kinda hard to read. I do know what you mean, and I wish I had thought it through more when I got the original half backpiece. Lol at the time I didn't honestly think I would get anymore let alone a full sleeve or a full back piece! :D Funny how that worked out. Oh well! It is a very hard decisions but all in all I am very much leaning towards going with this full back piece concept that my artist drew up for me. Sadly because of time and money I can't get any more tattoo work started or done for the next few months as I am moving across country to Vermont to live with my fiance when he gets home in December! But I do plan on flying back to Tucson, Arizona where I live now and get this back piece started eventually! I will still go to the same artist as he is awesome! :D Thank you so much for looking and your great feedback! It would mostly be black and grey work, possible color mostly for the eyes of the dragon but not honestly sure yet! :D :D:huggle::heart:
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picture-in-a-frame Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2010
you must be looking forward to living together with him so much!!
(but December is still very far away.. will you not see him until then?)

I finally got my boyfriend to agree with moving in with me the other day, just until we find something bigger.. he doesnt like the neighbourhood I live in, but I don't really mind and I love my garden, so I'm very very happy to be staying here a little longer, and especially that he will come live here this summer!

so, happy dances all around :D

oh and another question (I'm just full of those..):
will it be harder to cover up color with black and grey than with new colors?
Or is that just nonsense.. I'm finding it so hard to imagine you can just cover a tattoo up with a new one.. I think because I'm used to drawing with pen and pencil, and you can't really cover that up with more pen obviously.. :)
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BeautifulDragon322 Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2010  Student Photographer
OMG I am completely over joyed to be able to live with him!! Yes sadly it is awhile before then and I will not see him again until he is home in December. He already had his 2 weeks of leave, he came to visit me in Tucson and I went back to Vermont with him last month! It was awesome but yes it was very hard to say goodbye again and for so long. Ohh that is awesome that he is moving in!! I hope you two the best and that it goes well!! :D

Hmm I dont think it will be harder. Sometimes covering old colors up can be easier with black and grey. Most of the time darker works better in coverups. :D Not nonsense at all! :D Well if you want take a look at my full sleeve. There is in fact a original cartoon character (Gir from Invader Zim) that was covered up in the process of geting the sleeve done! I can still see the outline but it honestly looks like it has been carved into the tree which I love! In this pic [link] you can see, just below the dragons claws there is the outline of the Gir tattoo. It was not done well and the green mostly faded which made it easier to cover up. But the dark outline did still stand out a little on my forarm. Since this picture my artist went over it another 2 times and no one ever notices it unless I point it out. In this pic [link] you can see it again in the last pic on the right, this is once it had been gone over twice with shadding and coloring. Lucky for me it worked out. I honestly NEVER thought I would ever get a cover up but this one I am totally happy with. I love the cartoon character and I do plan to relocate him somewhere else and have my current artist do it very animated! Again as I said, I can still see the outline every time I look at my forarm but it is very faint and I know it is there. No one ever notices it at all. My artist worked very hard to make it blend in with the tree in the tattoo which worked well :D I will be posting updated healed pics of the finished full sleeve soon and you can see how it looks after all the sessions! :D Hope that helps! I am happy to help ANY TIME! :D
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picture-in-a-frame Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2010
o wow!
you are right I had never noticed, but when you know it's there it actually looks very funny
:D
like you said, like it's carved in the tree (maybe the dragon is a secret invader zim fan)

I've been thinking I'll do some tatto designs on my arm with uhm.. paint or something, to see how it'll look
but that could be akward on my upper arm :D
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BeautifulDragon322 Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2010  Student Photographer
Isn't that funny that once you know it is there you can tell! I totally agree and I am perfectly happy that I can see it in the tree, like it is carved in! :XD: Oh that is a great way to try it out and see what you think!! Also if you have any photo editing program like Photoshop you can take a pic of your arm and then play around with how images look on it! :D Let me know if you need any help! ;):D
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picture-in-a-frame Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2010
O that's good, I should try that too :nod:

buuuut.. need a design first
that's always so difficult, and I insist on making one myself too.. maybe I should just have chat with a tattoo artist about it..
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BeautifulDragon322 Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2010  Student Photographer
Yeah I can understand that! But that is the coolest part that you are making your own design! Mine is of my own design/idea in my head...but I am can't draw AT ALL LOL! I gave all my ideas to my tattoo artist and he spent the first 3 hour session just drawing it all over my entire are, free hand! Then he took pictures to work off of after I oked it!:XD:
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guillotinemaster75 Featured By Owner May 21, 2010
this concept looks amazing, I like the mountains you have already, and the mock up for the dragon is the business.. one thing you should remember though is that in asian culture, the dragon is the custodian of rivers, lakes and seas, so I think you need to have water at the bottom, either side of the whiskers. this will give it a more traditional feel because dragons aren't associated with mountains unless they're pictured in a river.it would make the dragon look like it's moving through the water and you don't need to go overboard(excuse the pun)
with a large area of water , you could keep it minimal to just convey the idea because that could interfere with the overall shape and flow of the tattoo...
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BeautifulDragon322 Featured By Owner May 29, 2010  Student Photographer
Well I really apprecaite your comment and feedback! I like where your going with the water or river near the bottom of the dragon's face. I did not think of that and I will for sure add that in whenever I do decide to get this done lol and have the time and money! :D I really apprecaite you taking the time to help me out! :huggle::D
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guillotinemaster75 Featured By Owner May 29, 2010
you are very welcome, I think the tattoo is a killer idea, I have a thing for dragons anyway.I study Dragon style kung fu and they have special meaning for me... the dragon and water thing is very important- it's the essence of yin-yang philosophy
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BeautifulDragon322 Featured By Owner May 30, 2010  Student Photographer
:D I totally agree. Oh yeah I am a dragon freak! lol Many people, especially my tattoo artist calls me "The Dragon Lady" hehe! That is too cool! Yeah I do like that yin-yang idea and I want it to be more traditional as well!
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mrmd53 Featured By Owner May 20, 2010  Hobbyist Photographer
Looks good!
You could tat me anytime!
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BeautifulDragon322 Featured By Owner May 20, 2010  Student Photographer
:D Thank you! Well I have only ever given myself a small tattoo on my ankle but my tattoo artist is just awesome!
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mrmd53 Featured By Owner May 20, 2010  Hobbyist Photographer
offer stil stands! :)
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BeautifulDragon322 Featured By Owner May 21, 2010  Student Photographer
Well I may have to just take you up on it when I am up that way! Thanks!!! :D
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mrmd53 Featured By Owner May 21, 2010  Hobbyist Photographer
Please do!
Thank You.....:XD:
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BeautifulDragon322 Featured By Owner May 21, 2010  Student Photographer
:XD: No problem!
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AletheaDo Featured By Owner May 15, 2010
I miss hanging out with you! Would love to shoot you again sometime before you leave :)
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BeautifulDragon322 Featured By Owner May 17, 2010  Student Photographer
I agree!! We will have to! Oh Id love that too! Well maybe we can hang out sometimes! Work has been rediculous but I do have weekends off! :D
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AletheaDo Featured By Owner May 26, 2010
Do you have my number still? I am going to San Diego this weekend but maybe when I get back :)
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BeautifulDragon322 Featured By Owner May 27, 2010  Student Photographer
No I am a slacker and have a different phone. Please send it to me for sure!! Mine is the same :p
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SnailsLoveTea Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2010  Professional Photographer
I personally don't have a thing for dragons, but if I did...I'd say you did an excellent job creating this concept.
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BeautifulDragon322 Featured By Owner May 17, 2010  Student Photographer
Well thank you for your honest inpute! It is good to get a perspective of someone who is in fact not a huge fan of dragons as I am lol! :D thanks!
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SnailsLoveTea Featured By Owner May 17, 2010  Professional Photographer
I may not be a fan of dragons, but I'm a fan of women with ink (ink in general really). It's not a sexual thing, obvisouly I'm straight. My fiance' is alllll man. Hah! It's just not as common to see women covered in colors :) I love it!
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BeautifulDragon322 Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2010  Student Photographer
Yeah I totally agree! I understand lol you say it like its a bad thing! HAHA! I am actually bisexual but it has nothing to do with my fiance not being all man. OH HE SURE IS TOO!! :XD: I do agree with you also! Thank you! :XD::huggle:
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SnailsLoveTea Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2010  Professional Photographer
I'm straight in the sense that I will only be with a man, but women are fun to look at and "play around with" so to speak. After a night at the bar it's always fun to bring one home, much to my fiance's enjoyment as well. Hah! We really aren't swingers, I swear.
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BeautifulDragon322 Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2010  Student Photographer
Yeah I can understand that and I have met many women that are that way as well! Lol funny you mentioned, I was in a swinging couple a while back. :) I guess with me I date both men and women. I would love to be with my fiance and have a girlfriend. I am hoping to bring a nice girl home to my fiance someday soon when we live together! :D That is very cool to know...now I adore you even more! :XD::rose:
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SnailsLoveTea Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2010  Professional Photographer
Hahah, I think I adore you a bit more too. It's always awesome to have people to relate to. You're so sweet, gorgeous!
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BeautifulDragon322 Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2010  Student Photographer
Well thank you my dear! ;) You are also so gorgeous and sweet! I love meeting people who have similar interests!
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elize Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
id say go for it! this is pretty much your only chance of having one cohesive backpiece... i agree that all your other tattoos on there dont really match each other and wouldnt match the new tattoo either. it looks like he has an amazing plan there and it would be limiting the quality of the whole thing to ask him not to cover the old stuff... you could also get a nicer koi somewhere else on your body if you are attached to the idea... good luck on whatever you decide!
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BeautifulDragon322 Featured By Owner May 17, 2010  Student Photographer
Thank you so much for your comment! I appreciate your help and perspective. I do agree with you on making it one cohesive backpiece, which is honestly what I want to do. He really does have an amazing eye for it and even if I am living out of this state when I do decide to start this coverup and have the money I am planning on coming back to him to have him do it either way! :D Thank you so much!!
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mohsinanwar Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2009  Hobbyist
cool tatoo and how much that hurt...... when i goona grow up i goona make exactly same tatoo of PRison break
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BeautifulDragon322 Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2009  Student Photographer
Ohh nice! it wasn't too bad actually, I love it! :D
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rmorris43 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2009  Hobbyist Photographer
Please see the link below. I put a quick pic up for you to review.
It is just to get the point across, I didn't want to spend a lot of time on this.

The dragons arm would wrap around the waist/rib cage.

[link]
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BeautifulDragon322 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2009  Student Photographer
Wow thank you so very much for taking time to check this out and to work on it for me!! :wave: :D
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sarahchalmers Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2009
I love the design he has put together! I think it flows beautifully, obv just the (hard) descision of whether you want to cover so much of the existing tattoos. Beautiful, though!
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BeautifulDragon322 Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2009  Student Photographer
:D Thank you so much! That is where I am at right now...deciding about covering up so much of it. Thank you again!
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razzell2 Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2009
i saw the image of your original japanese koi tat.
there is nothing wrong with that ink.
just touch it up, blend it together with a few color designs, surround it with a linking design and it will be perfect.

this image is so cluttered, and so loud..hard to see where you want to go with this.

you have the entire lower part of your back to add to your original japanese koi and waterfall, mountain design.
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BeautifulDragon322 Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2009  Student Photographer
Thank you for the comment and for the feedback! I do agree that I do have a lot of room on my lower back and would be able to add a piece to tie it all together. I am going to have my tattoo artist draw something up going in that direction as well to have that option available to me. :D Thanks!
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Vamaena Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2009  Student Photographer
That looks like an awesome concept for your back.
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BeautifulDragon322 Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2009  Student Photographer
:D Thank you I am glad your liking it!
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DulcetDeicide Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2009
I see what you mean, what you have now doesn't seem to "flow" with your body very well. The composition is disjointed. This more cohesive design your artist came up with would be IMHO a more impressive tattoo all around. Just make sure you don't compromise on the outcome you want. I trust you are in good hands, and I encourage you to post new pics or update this thread with new info. I think alot of people will be interested to find out how all this turns out. -Wow I think thats the most I've typed in a coment EVER [link]
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BeautifulDragon322 Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2009  Student Photographer
Yeah exactly, I want the flow and the whole thing to be one piece. Well I am really thankful that you made this comment! I am in very good hands thankfully and my artist is an artist first and then a tattoo artist. He really values his art and also wants to help me make this one big piece that flows together. I really appreciate the help. :D
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Full-Back-Tat Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2009
Make sure you do what it is that YOU want. Don't let the artist pressure you into something. I think for me it was a difficult decision to cover my original tattoo (a dragon), but I am very happy with the result as now all of my back flows together. It is a tough choice. We will look forward to seeing waht you do with it! -Skye
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